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Gigi Tierney's avatar

My personal anecdotal life experience has been that many liberals are “conservative” with themselves (working hard, limiting their resource use, always learning new skills) but liberal towards others, to the extent you indicated of not pushing for improvement or strengthening.

And many conservatives are liberal towards themselves and only themselves, insisting they got a hit when they were born on base, but pitching a fit at any indication that the games rules might change.

I don’t really view Rogan as a true right winger. He strikes me as a very insecure person who knows very little.

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Cayse M. Shultz's avatar

There is a fundamental truth in so much of what you are saying but I feel like there is one area I wish you could touch on more because you were so close to doing so.

Mainly, the untapped benefits of the left’s unique position to roll out a masculine expression and aggressive achievement standard that is rooted not just in a unified community but in the foundation of a unified self. And how much stronger that is. You began to show this with your examples of President Moose Man McBigSchlong, but there is such a deep well of untapped material here that I wish more people (who weren’t me—a female) would dive into.

There is such a misunderstanding on the extremist right and in toxic masculinity circles in general that to be capable of “masculine work” or “hardcore effort” you need to shut off and compartmentalize all aspects of yourself and deny aspects of yourself—and that this act is somehow proof of inner “strength.”

I was a wellness coach for over a decade at in a highly competitive corporate engineering office. Type A’s everywhere.

And let me tell you. This whole “compartmentalized man” bullshit is so far from the key to strength that it is viscerally enraging for me to hear anyone try to sell the idea. Real men broke trying to uphold this “ideal,” both while working at a desk and while working out in the field.

You want to know who managed to NOT have a mental breakdown when things came down to the wire? Who stayed calm under fire? Was it the guy who denied himself constantly? Sure. Maybe once.

But you want that guy to do that more than that? Good fucking luck.

You get two, maybe three massive project fails max before big man is out with burnout or down permanently from a heart attack.

The people that lasted? They didn’t shy away from shit. They didn’t block shit off-conflict, emotions, family, vices, community, health. They found balance and practiced flexibility within themselves and with their own desires, needs, and faults. THAT is resilience. You don’t pretend problems don’t exist and put up a wall. You fucking face them and either put up a wall with a DOOR together or make it unnecessary.

You don’t take a bullet and pretend you aren’t bleeding until you collapse if you want to win a war.

You take a bullet, and then strategize when, where, how, and why you are going to deal with it and you hope you know yourself well enough to choose which option will let you keep advancing for longer. The left is better equipped to provide that.

They got all that “woo-woo” EQ support and know how that when balanced PROPERLY actually bolsters men and masculine expression in a way that makes it long-sustaining, and yet still allows for the conscious choice, physical capacity, and mental discipline to go nuclear (and recover) if the situation requires.

The extreme right requires everyone to run on the dice-roll of black and white thinking: go nuclear or you are weak.

I wish more people would recognize that the masculine and feminine natures are just that, natures. The expression of BOTH of these natures is essential for every human and should be in balance and capable of being in flow so that it can be drawn and shifted to different ratios to meet the needs of whatever situation is at hand.

Anyhow. I liked your article a lot. It just made me think of these things. I fucking hate posts without nuance and was so happy to find yours had loads of it, so thank you for being awesome like that.

Sorry for my ranty tangent.

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